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【节选翻译/笔记】Are Bullies Misunderstood?

看了一篇Mike Faist(在音乐剧Dear Evan Hansen中饰演Connor Murphy)的访谈——"Are bullies misunderstood? Interview with Mike Faist from Dear Evan Hansen"(《“校园恶霸”是被误解的人群吗?采访<致埃文·汉森>演员Mike Faist》),感觉他对角色的理解(或者说他对剧本所传达信息的理解)和我的理解不太一样。下文截取并翻译了原文谈及DEH的部分,顺便写了写自己对这部剧以及Connor这个角色的一些想法,算是篇马马虎虎的笔记+角色分析?


You were with Dear Evan Hansen from the beginning – what was it like creating the role of Connor?

你从一开始就参与《致埃文·汉森》项目了——创造Connor这个角色的感觉怎么样?

It was a process. Originally Connor was very two‑dimensional and kind of stereotypical, if you want to say, I guess just bad‑boy bully. Over the years they have complicated him and shown the parallels between him and Evan in a lot more ways. I think one of the great things about the show is that the word "bully" gets thrown out. I think the word "bully" is a made‑up term used by adults to undercut and minimize what young people are going through. The reality of what these characters are going through is the challenge of allowing other people to see who they are. So in Connor's instance, he puts up walls because people put him in a box. For him it's an opportunity for allowing Evan to see who he is and there is miscommunication and unfortunately, Connor dies and it's sad because the audience doesn't actually get to know who he is.

那是一段漫长的过程。一开始的时候,Connor是一个缺乏深度、被标签化的角色,如果你一定要给他贴个标签的话,我觉得就是校园恶霸了。这些年来他们逐渐丰满了这个角色,表现出在很多方面上他和Evan之间的相似性。我想这部剧的其中一个伟大之处就在于抛弃了“恶霸”这个词。我认为“恶霸”是一个被成年人创造出来对少年人的经历淡化处理的词语。这些剧中角色所经历的事情是非常现实的,对于观众来说,吸收这些东西并由此而重新认识自我可谓一项挑战。因此拿Connor的例子来说,他把自己锁在墙里是因为人们把他锁在了盒子里。对于他而言,(计算机室的一幕)是一次让Evan看到他真实一面的机会,但沟通的过程中又出现了误会,并且很不幸,Connor死了,而且令人难过的是观众没有来得及去真正了解他。


Did you have any experience with bullying in high school or when you were younger?

你在高中或者更早的阶段经历过校园欺凌吗?

Yes, but you know, that's the thing. This word "bully" gets thrown around and the reality is, that's not true. The only reason we use the term "bully" is because we are dealing with high school kids in this story. As adults everyone gets bullied every single day and no one calls it that. So the word "bully" actually minimizes what young people are going through. Connor isn't a bully. He is someone who is misunderstood. If anything, he is someone who is put in a box and everybody goes around and they say "oh, don't talk to that kid because he is different." Because he is put in a box, he then puts other people in the same box or he puts up a guard and he pushes people away. If you look at how Jared deals with Evan and how Evan deals with high school and even how Alana tries to survive, how all of these children are trying to survive, it's truly challenging. With Connor, his way of survival is to put up a fence. Because the minute he allows other people to see who he actually is, I think he loses and I think that"s how everyone goes about throughout the entire show. So to say Connor is a bully I think is really unfair and just not true. In reality, it's the lack of ability to allow yourself to be seen for who you really are. And miscommunication. And missed opportunities.

经历过,但你知道,这就是我之前说的。“恶霸”这个词到处出现,而事实上,不是那么回事。我们使用“恶霸”这个词的唯一原因是在这个故事里我们面对的是一群高中生。所有的成年人每天都在被欺凌,却没有人用上这个词。因此这个词实际上是在弱化描述少年人正在经历的生活。Connor不是一个恶霸。他是一个被误解的人。更进一步说,他是一个被锁在盒子里的人,所有人都在说“噢别和他说话他跟我们不一样”。既然他被锁在了盒子里,他要么也把其他人锁在同一个盒子里,要么他竖起一道防线把其他人推得远远的。如果你看到Jared是怎么对待Evan的、Evan是怎么对待高中生活的,甚至是Alana怎么生存的,所有这些孩子是怎么生存的,你就知道这的确是项挑战。就拿Connor来说,他的生存方式是树立防线。我想那是因为一旦他让其他人看到自己真实的一面,那他就输了,我想这也是整部剧中所有人的想法。因此我认为把Connor看作一个恶霸是不公平的、错误的。在现实中,这是不善于向别人表露自己的体现,也是沟通失败和错失良机的体现。


What advice would you give to kids who are in that situation?

那么你对处于这种境遇下的孩子有什么建议吗?

Well, you have to talk about it to adults, but the problem is – I don't know if it's a relationship issue between adults and young adults, or if it's just a lack of trust that kids have to end up to talking to adults, but I think by using terms like "bullying" and things like that, it minimizes what kids are going through.

你应该和成年人谈谈这事,但问题在于——我不知道这是成人和年轻人之间的关系问题,还是只是孩子必须和成人沟通的信任缺失问题。不过我还是认为使用“恶霸”这样的词或者类似的做法,只会弱化描述孩子的感受。

I guess if I had any advice to give to an Evan Hansen or a Connor Murphy is to try and realize that this point in your time, wherever you are, is short‑lived and everything comes in seasons and happens in seasons and that's life. Life isn't about finding out who you are. It's about creating who you are and part of that creation is a wall. There is a bad place. But you just got to buckle down in those tough moments and keep going.

要说我有什么建议能够提供给像Evan Hansen或者Connor Murphy那样的孩子的话,那就是试着去认识到,不管你生活在哪里,你生命中的这个阶段是非常短暂的,所有事来了又去,这就是生活。生活的重点不在于寻找自我,在于创造自我,而那堵墙就是创造过程的一部分。人生总有一处阴暗的角落。但你需要做的只是全力以赴熬过这些艰难的日子,继续前行。














  • 我:我把剧中多次出现的Connor分为真实的Connor和Evan脑海中的Connor。真实的Connor言行粗暴,不会向其他人展示深层次的自我;Evan脑海中的Connor说话友善很多,敢想敢言,富有对爱和关注的追求,更像是Evan的另一个自我,因此如果讨论Connor这个角色,那么应该把真正的Connor的举止作为依据。而一旦把两者分开来看,可以发现单个角色的面貌还是比较单调的,毕竟本身出场的时间就不长,短短三个片段(Anybody Have A Map、走廊、计算机室)。不过要是把开场以及后来计算机室的片段放在一起看,还是能发现这个角色所具有的层次性。

    此外Evan和Connor之间的相似性主要体现在Anybody Have A Map当中,剧本把两个家庭的对白、场景平行化,其间的异同也就很明显了。Jared对他们的态度也是一个体现。

    在这篇访谈的观点中,我所不认同的其实是关于恶霸的定义。首先,Mike对"恶霸"一词的态度我不太能够接受。如果说拿这个词去定义校园欺凌现象是弱化、单纯化描述的话,那么是否可以理解为“恶霸的行为是由年轻人的不幸经历驱使的,重点应该从暴力行为转移到客观因素上”,也就是说在某种程度上要把校园欺凌事件中的施暴方的行为正当化吗?我认为合理的看待校园欺凌现象的方法并非是去纠结施暴方多么“身不由己”,因为每一个施暴者都是不一样的。在这个故事里,你可以争辩说Connor不能被叫做“恶霸”,因为他本身就是受害者,因为环境令他不得不这么做。但是“恶霸”就是施暴者的意思,你不可否认他用了语言暴力和动作暴力,也不可否认在现实中有很多很多施暴者并没有Connor那样的理由。

    实际上,我理解的DEH在处理这部分的时候更倾向于反映一个整体现象——潜在的校园欺凌无处不在,并直接导致主角们产生孤立感。剧本没有把人物简单地归类为施暴者和受害者,而是侧面反映了许多人身上的两重属性。就比方说在Connor和Jared之间,就他们两人的言行举止而言,有谁是绝对的施暴者或受害者吗?Jared看似鸡毛蒜皮的调侃/挖苦又何尝不是一种语言暴力。先是揭示问题,然后提出解决办法:对于自己,孤独的人勇敢站出来做自己;对于他人,尊重其他人的存在。

    看完Dear Evan Hansen一段时间后,我总在想如果计算机室里的对话是另一种发展,Evan和Connor的命运会怎样。Connor对Evan展现了富有同情心的一面,只有他为Evan的石膏签了名字。如果没有那封信的误会,他们是不是真的可以成为朋友?但Connor与其他所有人之间的那道防线使得任何努力都要经受重重考验。防线两边小心翼翼的两个人要想规避误解,包容差异实在太难了。但是更多的时候,多愁善感的人如我总会觉得那天在计算机室里,Connor错过了一个坚持下去的机会,然后“如果”“如果”……许多个无用的“如果”接踵而来。


  • 我认为这里所有角色身上能够看到的共性正是DEH的精髓所在,这部剧的主角虽说是Evan,但是随着不同角色出场互动,观众可以透过对话和歌词看到他们心中所共有的恐惧。Evan和Connor的心魔没有被孤立化,而是隐约地体现在其他每一个角色身上,并由此带出那首歌——You Will Be Found,这是说给每一个人听的。


  • 关于青春期的建议总是那么鸡汤,但鸡汤并不意味着就不是实话。生活从来都不是完美的,而我们这代人所面临的问题就是存在感缺失。我们的社会已经发展得如此庞大,每天都有那么多的事情发生,也正是因为身处在如此庞大、丰富的世界里我们才感到自身的渺小,感到前所未有的孤独。人与人之间的关系难以维持,因为周围的变化太快,一次错失就可能导致永久的不对等。我很想加一句不是过了青春期就不难熬了啊,人这一辈子都是要受生活欺负的,但不可否认总是会有出路的,像Larry对Evan说的,走出困境需要耐心,需要时间,过程虽难,但这才是正确的道路。不管怎么说,有很多事情的确是可以用时间来解决的,或者说,一段时间后人看问题的方式也会有所不同。 


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